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Evangelizing Left: The Missionary Troll

2015/12/24

Ace of Spades:  “The media [the Left in general, IMHO] has two wings: The Pious Concern Troll wing, and the Nasty Attack Dog wing. Why no, they’re never asked to reconcile these wings.”

There is also the phenomenon of The Missionary Troll to the Prols:  He of the Left who dresses in pious Conservative garb whilst holding a Bible (or candies) in one hand and a cattle prod in the other.  His role is a combination of The Pious Concern Troll and The Nasty Attack Dog.

RINO-5

Always his purpose is to nudge us sheep (those of us in Conservative and Libertarian camps) to the Left in small steps, administering candy or shock as necessary.

That every tyranny of central planning and control is antithetical to the Bible – and outright heresy – doesn’t matter to him.  The more souls this man “saves”, the greater his share of “collective redemption.”

His style is marked by condescension, running auto-hagiography, sympathy at this moment and at the next flame, and a string of really cr@ppy arguments.  Fine, we get the role of comic relief in debate – but how enjoyable is it really, when the Missionary Troll doesn’t realize that the joke is on him?

Chimes in Right Guy:

“But that’s the mark of a progressive, left or right. One, that the government has to be used to promote their beliefs and execute their agenda. On one side it’s social justice on the other is to make the world safe for their twisted version of crony capitalistic democracy. Two, that man is flawed and needs to be saved from himself. Only through the government and control can this happen. Both are basically religion and it’s just a softer version of what the caliphatists want. Robert Heinlein understood all this and broke it down quite simply:

Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

  – Robert A. Heinlein

Or another favorite:

When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives.

  – Robert A. Heinlein

“And yet we still have seeming smart people championing white hat over black hat. For a couple reasons. Some people have greater affinity to groups and the power they perceive and possibly get from them. They want to be on the winning team. It’s people like this that usually want people controlled. This is why the liberty movement fails. People that champion individuality don’t like to be in groups. This makes it difficult to move things in that direction.”

Thank-you! Full agreement here. “People that champion individuality” – or just want to be left alone – “don’t like to be in groups.” Perhaps this is why ‘liberty movements’ are rare events.

If we may take a swipe at William F! Buckley, jr… Buckley’s “Conservatism” was rather as Gore Vidal believed – merely an elegant tolerance of fascistic principles.  That neither of them came to argue from first principles is to their shame.  While Gore was apologizing for the Soviets, Buckley was eschewing – and destroying – principled Libertarians and Conservatives such as Rand and Welch.

Even Thomas Paine didn’t see the full extent of the motives behind the French Revolution:  That turned out to be the Officiate overturning the Monarchy, the inverse of what Joseph had done to the Priests when he’d handed vast powers to Pharaoh. In the final result, Liberté is antithetical to Égalité and Fraternité.

[Thomas Paine] was freed in 1794 (narrowly escaping execution) thanks to the efforts of James Monroe, then U.S. Minister to France. Paine remained in France until 1802 when he returned to America on an invitation from Thomas Jefferson. Paine discovered that his contributions to the American Revolution had been all but eradicated due to his religious views. Derided by the public and abandoned by his friends, he died on June 8, 1809 at the age of 72 in New York City.”

Happy Christmas everyone!

Yos

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12 Comments leave one →
  1. 2015/12/24 17:54

    Equality and liberty and different concepts. You can be free from tyranny, but it doesn’t imply equal outcomes, which the progressive left promotes. I believe in equal opportunity, but that’s as far as it goes. No one should be prevented from entering the race, but after that, it’s up to them. Where the progressive right fails is not understanding the unique conditions that existed to foment the creation of this country and that they cannot be duplicated, especially by force. The US is the only country ever to go beyond the puerile tendencies of man to want to be taken care of by a paternalist authority and move into adolescence which leads to self-sufficiency. It’s a completely different mind set. As a nation, we wanted to grow up and move beyond manorialism, but we’ve backslid since and I see no return. The conditions don’t exist now and the conditions that do exist are pushing for oligarchical central control beyond the nation level. When we examine the other players, the style and practice of their authority leaves a lot to be desired.

    • 2015/12/24 18:18

      I think perhaps it’s ebb tide for the left and tyrants in general. Their models – central planning and shariafascism – don’t work and everyone sees it failing. Not to sound Polyanna-ish – I think conditions for return are probably the best they’ve been in more than a century.

      Whether it’s enough, that’s another question. This is end-game, it seems. I’m not optimistic either, but one can rationally [er, rationalize] hope.

      • 2015/12/24 18:20

        The question I have is, if it took a 3% tax to tell the king to screw off, what will it take now? Obviously a lot more. Much, much more.

      • 2015/12/24 18:24

        Ouch.

      • Libertarian Advocate permalink
        2016/01/02 11:34

        1%. That is you’ll be able to keep 1% Government will get the other 99.

      • 2016/01/03 17:40

        As long we are on the winning team…There is no winning team…Not from the cheap seats.

  2. 2015/12/25 17:00

    We have faced worse times. One, that the government has to be used to promote their beliefs and execute their agenda. Sorry, but that is bullshit on stilts. No one doesn’t believe that and if they claim to not, they’re lying. Wanting government to exist in the first place is an agenda, for godsake. Sloppy thinking is very easy when it involves no consequences.

    • 2015/12/25 17:09

      I guess I’m a liar. : ]

      Or – just maybe – the context is whether government should be used to protect Liberty (what a conundrum!) or to protect privilege and mitigate competition (a much more traditional use.)

      Happy Christmas Chuck!

  3. 2015/12/29 21:12

    Is protecting liberty not an agenda? Geez, man. it is quite fine to say you don’t want someone else’s agenda advanced by government, but that is quite different than saying that you want no agenda advanced by government. The former is basically as old as government itself, the latter is utter nonsense.

    • 2015/12/30 01:57

      Protecting liberty has a lower cost than any other agenda and it takes away power from the government and politicians, which is why neither party decreases the size and scope of government. It’s not in their best interests.

  4. 2015/12/30 23:15

    If by that you mean no one can get elected doing it, then you’re right.

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